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So I’ve got two different cloud-controlled AP in my office right now.  The Meraki is now hanging up on our equipment rack through creative use of the provided mounting hardware, and the Aerohive HiveAP 121 is sitting on the workbench, waiting on the authorization email from Aerohive that will get me set up with their cloud controller.  I really like the idea behind these things.  We have a fairly large campus, and it’s expanding to across the street, which is miles away as far as I’m concerned, so I’m really interested in the idea of being able to manage our hardware from anywhere, whether I’m in the office, at home, or even (if the need were to arise) on vacation, as long as I had web access.  There are some things that I find bothersome, though.  Chief among those things is how many of my resources I have to make security exceptions for in order for these cloud-controlled APs to work seamlessly with our existing system.  Maintaining a level of security is part of my job description, so I don’t like the idea of putting a path between the web and the closed-garden systems on my network.

My most recent frustration in this regard cropped up today, just after I thought I’d sorted my previous problems out.  Our traditional APs are all controlled from an internal-only VLAN, and they sit on trunked lines that give them access to our other networks for the business of actually accessing the internet wirelessly.  That model, I’d already figured out, wouldn’t work right out of the box for the Meraki AP because there needed to be a path to the outside world so the cloud controller could talk to the AP, so I put the AP on a different network that can get out without a fuss.  But then: problems.

As I think I’ve mentioned before, our student and instructional networks authenticate clients against a RADIUS server that we have on campus.  Well, I know how to set up an AP to authenticate against a RADIUS server, so I thought there wouldn’t be any differences when it came to hooking the Meraki up to the thing.

What I didn’t know was that the cloud controller needs to access the RADIUS server, which would mean putting a hole in the firewall for that purpose.  I’m not particularly excited about that prospect.  I can see how it would be nice to have the RADIUS server accessible from the outside–we could, for instance, set up a remote AP at a totally separate site and let users authenticate normally.  Still, in the context that I’m using, or trying to use these APs, which is to say as nearly-pnp devices that I can just drop into my existing network with a minimum of fuss so I can put them through their paces to see whether I really want us investing in this technology (and in theory, I really would like to deploy these things).  In practice, this just hasn’t been working as I’d hoped.

In the end, I may just grin and bear it if I have to open some holes in order to make things work the way I’d like, but I really wish that there was an option to let these APs work with our existing RADIUS server without making that server available to the outside world.  After all, except for the cloud controller itself, which is in a server-farm somewhere (probably in California), everything I’m working with is inside one discrete network, so all the hardware involved should be able to talk amongst themselves.



  1. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised about RADIUS on the Aerohive AP. Since there is actually no controller (cloud or otherwise) you won’t need to poke a hole in your firewall in order to authenticate against your RADIUS server.

    In larger multi-AP deployments you also don’t have to add each AP as a seperate NAS client. The system can proxy RADIUS or Active Directory connections within the Hive.

    • I’m looking forward to getting it set up as soon as I’m no longer feeling quite so buried in projects that I can really take the time to hash things through with one of their engineers. I’m still a bit concerned about the overall build quality on the Aerohive AP that I’ve got, though that might just be carry-over from handling so many tank-like Cisco Aeronet APs.

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